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		<title>Death In The Life of the Believer part 2</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Romans 5:19-21 For as by one man&#8217;s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. (20) Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: (21) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Romans 5:19-21</strong></span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> For as by one man&#8217;s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.  (20)  Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:  (21)  That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Romans 6:1-10 </strong>What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?  (2)  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?  (3)  Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?  (4)  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.  (5)  For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also <em>in</em> <em>the</em> <em>likeness</em> of <em>his</em> resurrection:  (6)  Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with <em>him,</em> that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.  (7)  For he that is dead is freed from sin.  (8)  Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:  (9)  Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.  (10)  For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> We are continuing our look at Romans chapter 6 and how it deals with the Christian walk and following God. Because of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, those that believe on Him do not have to be in bondage to sin. We can walk in obedience and love to Jesus Christ. The believer has the Holy Spirit indwelling him or her to guide, direct, and chastise when necessary. However, the believer needs to be responsive to the guiding of the Holy Spirit. How does the believer gain guidance from the Holy Spirit? Through time spent with God, reading His Word and prayer. </span></span></span>Writing about God&#8217;s sure guidance, British pastor Frank W. Boreham recounted a time when a minister visited his home in New Zealand.  Being young and inexperienced, Boreham sought the counsel of his guest. He said that one morning they were sitting on the veranda, he asked the minister, &#8220;Can a man be sure that in the hour of perplexity he will be rightly led by God? Can he feel secure against making a false step?&#8221; &#8220;I am certain of it,&#8221; exclaimed the minister, &#8220;if he will but give God time! As long as you live, remember that. Give God time!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Romans 6:1, 2</strong> <span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?  (2)  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein</em></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">?</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> Romans chapter 5 deals with sin and sanctification: sin came into the world through one man, Adam; and sanctification came because of one man, Jesus Christ. We all know what sin is: an act or thought of disobedience toward God. Sanctification is act of making someone holy. Sin is an action by man against God. Sanctification is an action by God for man. Man cannot make himself holy, although people constantly try to make themselves holy. At best, man can only appear to be holy to others, but God knows the heart. Sometimes people will try to make themselves appear holy by pointing out the sins of others while not noticing their own sins. John Flavel said: </span></span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">It is easier to cry against one-thousand sins of others than to kill one of your own</span>. True sanctification can only come from God working in a person&#8217;s life and God is only going to be able to accomplish that when a person is willing to humble themselves before God. &#8220;They that know God will be humble,&#8221; John Flavel has said, &#8216; and they that know themselves cannot be proud.&#8221; Andrew Murray wrote: <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Humility is perfect quietness of heart. It is for me to have no trouble; never to be fretted or vexed or irritated or sore or disappointed. It is to expect nothing, to wonder at nothing that is done to me, to feel nothing done against me. It is to be at rest when nobody praises me and when I am blamed or despised. It is to have a blessed home in the Lord where I can go in and shut the door and kneel to my Father in secret and be at peace as in a deep sea of calmness when all around is trouble. It is the fruit of the Lord Jesus Christ&#8217;s redemptive work on Calvary&#8217;s cross, manifested in those of His own who are definitely subject to the Holy Spirit</span>.</p>
<p>It is only through Jesus Christ that anyone can live a sanctified life, anything less is a sham. We must be willing to humble ourselves before God and not worry about the consequences by our fellow man.</p>
<p>When a person is born again, they have been justified by the All-Holy God – in other words they have had their sin-debt paid for by Jesus Christ and they are longer considered guilty of their sin. Albert Barnes said this about justification: <span style="text-decoration: underline;">What is justification? It is the declared purpose of God to regard and treat those sinners who believe in Jesus Christ as if they had not sinned, on the ground of the merits of the Savior. It is not mere pardon. Pardon is a free forgiveness of past offenses. It has reference to those sins as forgiven and blotted out. Justification has respect to the law, and to God&#8217;s future dealings with the sinner. It is an act by which God determines to treat him hereafter as righteous&#8211;as if he had not sinned. The basis for this is the merit of the Lord Jesus Christ, merit that we can plead as if it were our own. He has taken our place and died in our stead; He has met the descending stroke of justice, which would have fallen on our own heads if He had not interposed</span>.</p>
<p>Justification is not the same as sanctification. Justification is an one time action by God toward the believer, whereas sanctification is an ongoing process by God upon the believer. Justification occurs when a man trusts Jesus Christ for salvation. God declares that man righteous and free from the guilt of sin. At that point, God begins a work on that man that does not stop, guiding that man toward living a holy life for God. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Justification is the means, sanctification is the end. Justification is for us; sanctification is in us. Justification declares the sinner righteous; sanctification makes the sinner righteous. Justification removes the guilt and penalty of sin; sanctification removes the growth and power of sin</span>. (J. Vernon McGee)</p>
<p>Sanctification gives the believer the ability to not be enslaved to sin and to walk in obedience and love for God. It requires the believer to recognize their sinful condition and appreciate the blessings of God. John Newton said: <span style="color: #000000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I am not what I might be, I am not what I ought to be, I am not what I wish to be, I am not what I hope to be. But I thank God I am not what I once was, and I can say with the great apostle, &#8220;By the grace of God I am what I am</span></span><span style="color: #000000;">. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Romans 6:1, 2</strong><span style="color: #0000ff;"> </span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?  (2)  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein</em></span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">?</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"> What is the apostle Paul saying in verse one? Romans chapter 5 dealt with salvation and chapter 6 deals with the life that the born again believer is to follow. So the reader sees in chapter 5 about salvation by God toward the unholy, and Paul asks, “What shall we say then?” Well, the born again should shout, “Praise God!” This should bring joy to the believer&#8217;s heart knowing what God has done for them through Jesus Christ, His Son. Jesus Christ died for the ungodly: that is everyone before anyone gets saved! </span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Romans 5:6</strong></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly</em></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">. People are familiar with John 3:16 –</span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em> For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.</em></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">.. but there is to the passage than that! You cannot stop at </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son&#8230; </em></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">because that is not what saved anybody! People want to think that they are a child of God and yet still live like a child of the devil. </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Galatians 3:26 </strong></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus</em></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">. Yes, God so loved the world, but He does not force Himself upon the world, the world still needs to believe in Jesus Christ and the world needs to understand the consequences of refusing Jesus Christ. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>John 3:16-18</strong></span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  (17)  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.  (18)  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God</em></span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Paul asks: </span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Romans 6:1</strong></span></span><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?</em></span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> Paul is asking, “What shall the believer say about the salvation by God through His Son, Jesus Christ?” Then Paul asks, “After a person is saved, shall they continue to live in sin? Thank God, a person does not have to choose to continue to live in sin. Paul is asking, “Shall we continue to do something negative, so that something positive will come forth?” Paul is asking an argumentative question, but it is a question that people do not vocalize, but they demonstrate it in their lives. </span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">It is never right to do wrong to do right</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">. (Dr Crowley) For example, telling a lie is a negative thing and it never ultimately produces a positive outcome in the end. There may be a positive outcome at first (short term), but the </span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">lie will catch up to you in the end. We may fool ourselves into thinking that we are only protecting someone else&#8217;s feelings when we lie, but we are actually only protecting ourselves. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-size: small;"> People do not fall into sin, so much as they choose to sin. </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Why would Christians choose to sin rather than choose what they know God wants them to do? Four answers are commonly given today.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">1. Some would point to Romans 8:16 and explain that Christians who willfully sin have forgotten their true identity as &#8220;children of God.&#8221; While it is true that Christians can forget who they are and sin as a result, Christians can also be well aware of who they are and sin anyway.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">2. Some say Christians choose to sin because they have lost sight of what God has done for them. 2 Peter 1:9 indicates that Christians can be &#8220;blind or short-sighted, having forgotten [their] purification from [their] former sins.&#8221; </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">3. Some wisely state that Christians consciously choose to sin because they have forgotten that God will severely discipline disobedient believers. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">4. Some have said that Christians who consciously sin have lost their focus on the future. These Christians have forgotten that God will reward in heaven only those who have lived faithfully for Him here on earth (1 Cor 9:24). Christians who fail to keep eternity in mind often sin in the here and now</span>. (J. Kirk Johnston)</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Romans 6:1-2 </strong></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em> </em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?  (2)  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein</em></span></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">?</span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Paul answers his questions with, “God forbid.” Paul declares that there is no good reason to choose to sin. And why? Because the born again believer in Jesus Christ is dead to sin. The believer has been declared justified by God from the penalty of sin, but not from the power of sin in this life. Believers still do sin, but why? Because they do not always choose to live a sanctified life. So what does Paul mean when he wrote, </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em> How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein</em></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">? Paul does not mean that no believer sins anymore, because every believer here today should realize that we do sin. Think about the verse this way: Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and He paid the penalty – the debt – that everyone has when they sin and are disobedient to God. Jesus Christ died for the ungodly. When person comes to Jesus Christ for salvation, we state that they have been born again. Think about it: in order to be born again, doesn&#8217;t that person have to die? That person dies in order to be born again. Jesus Christ had to die first before He could be resurrected from the dead. Go to Romans 6:6. When a person trusts Jesus Christ for salvation, they essentially have died on the cross with Jesus Christ. </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Romans 6:6</strong></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin</em></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> Paul puts it like this in Ephesians: </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Ephesians 4:22-24</strong></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em> That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;  (23)  And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;  (24)  And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness</em></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">. And in Colossians. </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Colossians 3:1-3</strong></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em>If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.  (2)  Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.  (3)  For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God</em></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> Believers are not walking around dead, but they have died to sin. Believers are not dead to sin, because we still choose to sin, but believers have died to the penalty to sin through the substitute: Jesus Christ. Believers died to sin in Jesus Christ. J. Vernon McGee wrote: <span style="text-decoration: underline;">We are never dead to sin. Any honest person knows he never reaches the place where he is dead to sin. He does reach the place where he wants to live for God, but he recognizes he still has that old sin nature</span>. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman,serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> Because of His death on the cross, Jesus Christ freed all believers from the penalty of sin. Because of His resurrection, the believer now has the power to walk in newness of life and away from the power of sin. That can only happen when the believer humbles himself or herself and realizes how holy God truly is and how unholy they are. Paul recognized that in his life, How about you? </span></span></span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The Gospel is a fact; therefore tell it simply.</p> <p>The Gospel is a joyful fact; therefore tell it cheerfully.</p> <p>The Gospel is an entrusted fact; therefore tell it faithfully.</p> <p>The Gospel is a fact of infinite moment; therefore tell it earnestly.</p> <p>The Gospel is a fact of infinite love; therefore tell it feelingly.</p> <p>The Gospel [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-616" title="clouds" src="http://firstbaptistfernwood.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/clouds13.jpeg" alt="clouds" width="106" height="132" />The Gospel is a fact; therefore tell it simply.</p>
<p>The Gospel is a joyful fact; therefore tell it cheerfully.</p>
<p>The Gospel is an entrusted fact; therefore tell it faithfully.</p>
<p>The Gospel is a fact of infinite moment; therefore tell it earnestly.</p>
<p>The Gospel is a fact of infinite love; therefore tell it feelingly.</p>
<p>The Gospel is a fact of difficult comprehension to many; therefore tell it with illustration.</p>
<p>The Gospel is a fact about a Person; therefore preach Christ.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em>Archibald Brown</em></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><strong>Brian McLaren states:</strong> “I DON’T THINK WE’VE GOT THE GOSPEL RIGHT YET. What does it mean to be ‘saved’? When I read the Bible, I don’t see it meaning, ‘I’m going to heaven after I die.’ Before modern evangelicalism nobody accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, or walked down an aisle, or said the sinner’s prayer. I don’t think the liberals have it right. But I don’t think we have it right either. None of us has arrived at orthodoxy” (“The Emergent Mystique,” </span><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><em>Christianity Today</em></span><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">, Nov. 2004, p. 40). </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">“The church has been preoccupied with the question, ‘What happens to your soul after you die?’ AS IF THE REASON FOR JESUS COMING CAN BE SUMMED UP IN, ‘JESUS IS TRYING TO HELP GET MORE SOULS INTO HEAVEN, AS OPPOSED TO HELL, AFTER THEY DIE.’ I JUST THINK A FAIR READING OF THE GOSPELS BLOWS THAT OUT OF THE WATER. I don’t think that the entire message and life of Jesus can be boiled down to that bottom line” (“The Emerging Church,” Part Two</span><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><em>, Religion &amp; Ethics</em></span><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">, July 15, 2005, http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week846/cover.html).</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">The BIBLE says:</span></strong></p>
<p>John 3:16-18  For  God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  (17)  For  God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.  (18)  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of  God.</p>
<p>Romans 10:9-10  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.  (10)  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.</p>
<p>The Gospel of Jesus Christ (His death, burial, and resurrection) is understandable to those that will listen to the pricking of the heart by the Holy Spirit. The Gospel needs to be believed, and heard over and over again, and the sinner needs to repent and trust fully in Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Brian McLaren appears to be: everyone is going to Heaven, so we need to save planet Earth. This is a dangerous Gospel and it is leading people down the broad path to Hell.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Continuing the interview of Rob Bell by Christianity Today. My comments will be in bold italics.</p> <p>You say, &#8220;Jesus wants to save us from making the Good News about another world and not this one.&#8221; What do you mean?</p> <p>The story is about God&#8217;s intentions to bring about a new heaven and a new earth, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-581" title="cloud" src="http://firstbaptistfernwood.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cloud15.jpg" alt="cloud" width="101" height="115" />Continuing the interview of Rob Bell by Christianity Today. My comments will be in bold italics.</p>
<p><strong>You say, &#8220;Jesus wants to save us from making the Good News about another world and not this one.&#8221; What do you mean?</strong></p>
<p>The story is about God&#8217;s intentions to bring about a new heaven and a new earth, and the story begins here with shalom—shalom between each other and with our Maker and with the earth. The story line is that God intends to bring about a new creation, this place, this new heaven and earth here. And that Jesus&#8217; resurrection is the beginning, essentially, of the future; this great Resurrection has rushed into the present.</p>
<p>The evacuation theology that says, &#8220;figure out the ticket, say the right prayer, get the right formula, and then we&#8217;ll go somewhere else&#8221; is lethal to Jesus, who endlessly speaks of the renewal of all things.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Rob Bell&#8217;s Gospel presentation is weak and lacking the essential elements. First, what is the Gospel message? The Apostle Paul wrote: </strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>1Corinthians 15:1-4  Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;  (2)  By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.  (3)  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;  (4)  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>The Gospel of Jesus Christ is His death, burial, and resurrection. All three are essential to the Gospel or Good News about Jesus Christ. God will bring a new Heaven and a new Earth, however, that will not happen until after the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ (Isaiah 66; 2 Peter 3; Revelation 21). It is through the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ that man can be reconciled with God because Jesus Christ is the only mediator between sinful man and the All Holy God (1 Timothy 1:5). You cannot just focus on one aspect of the Gospel and leave out the rest. </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>As for Rob Bell&#8217;s comments on the Evacuation Theology, I admit that there are those that teach: &#8220;say a prayer and you will go to Heaven.&#8221;  Prominent men like Jack Hyles did that, however, that is not Biblical. Salvation is NOT a case of saying the right thing or doing the right thing. A person will not miss Heaven on a technicality, but a person needs to realize their sinful condition and separation from God, and then repent and fully trust in Jesus Christ as their Saviour. If you have not done this, please go to the &#8220;One Needful Thing&#8221; page on this website. </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>Please note that Rob Bell does not quote a single bit of Scripture in this interview. I am curious what verses Rob Bell is referring to when he states that Jesus Christ endlessly spoke of the renewal of all things.  He also spoke about a person&#8217;s need to repent (Matthew 4:17).<br />
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<p><strong>All well and good, but how is this good news to people with no earthly hope? If I&#8217;m dying of aids or cancer, I probably don&#8217;t give a rip about the renewal of all things. I want to know if my sins are forgiven, and when I die, if am I going to see Jesus or not.</strong></p>
<p>Yes, and I would say that central to that new creation is the problem with the first creation—death. The Resurrection is about God dealing with the death problem. And central to this giant cosmic hope is a very intimate, yes, you can trust this Jesus. You can trust this new creation. You can trust being with him when you die, when you leave this life, however you want to put it. Yes, there is an intensely personal dimension to this giant story that you and I get to be a part of.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Note that the interviewer brings up the need for forgiveness of sins, however, Rob Bell does not answer that part of the question. Is Rob Bell teaching universalism &#8212; the belief that all will go to Heaven no matter what their beliefs are? If everyone is going to Heaven, then why did Jesus Christ die on the cross? If everyone is going to Heaven</strong></em>, <em><strong>then why is condemnation discussed by each writer of the New Testament? </strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>John 3:16-18  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  (17)  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.  (18)  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>The problem is that Rob Bell, Brian McLaren and others in the emerging church movement do not believe that there is a literal place called Hell. Brian McLaren has even stated that he does not think we have gotten the Gospel right yet! If that is true, then we may as well throw away the Bible.<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>If you do some research on Rob Bell and others of the Emerging Church, you will see that they talk about being in a story. We get to be in part of the story of God &#8212; almost like we are just characters in a book rather than real people.<br />
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<p><strong>You&#8217;re essentially reframing the gospel—at least the gospel you inherited, the gospel we have known as the gospel in North America for the last couple hundred years.</strong></p>
<p>I am leery of people who have very clear ideas of what they&#8217;re doing from outside of themselves: &#8220;You have to understand that I&#8217;m doing this and doing this.&#8221; I would say that for 10 years, I have tried to invite people to trust Jesus. You can trust this Jesus. You can trust him past, present, future; sins, mistakes, money, sexuality. I think this Jesus can be trusted.</p>
<p>I often put it this way: If there is a God, some sort of Divine Being, Mind, Spirit, and all of this is not just some random chance thing, and history has some sort of movement to it, and you have a connection with Whatever—that is awesome. Hard and awesome and creative and challenging and provoking.</p>
<p>And there is this group of people who say that whoever that being is came up among us and took on flesh and blood—Andrew Sullivan talks about this immense occasion the world could not bear. So a church would be this odd blend of swagger—an open tomb, come on—and humility and mystery. The Resurrection accounts are jumbled and don&#8217;t really line up with each other—I really relate to that. Yet something momentous has burst forth in the middle of history. You just have to have faith, and you get caught up in something.</p>
<p>I like to say that I practice militant mysticism. I&#8217;m really absolutely sure of some things that I don&#8217;t quite know.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>To the emerging church crowd, faith goes hand in hand with doubt. Why? Because if I can cast doubt on things, like the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or cast doubt on the authority and sufficiency of the Bible, then that gives me wiggle room to do what I want and believe what I want. Rob Bell said: </strong>&#8220;I&#8217;m really absolutely sure of some things that I don&#8217;t quite know&#8221; <strong>Does that even make sense? Rob Bell tells us that he is &#8220;leery&#8221; about people that have confidence about their faith. And why does he say &#8220;this Jesus?&#8221; Which Jesus is he referring to? I doubt that he is talking about the Jesus Christ of the Bible. The Apostle John tells us that we can KNOW that we are saved and know who it is that saved us.<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>1 John 5:13  These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.</strong></em></p>
<p><strong>How would you present this gospel on Twitter?</strong></p>
<p>I would say that history is headed somewhere. The thousands of little ways in which you are tempted to believe that hope might actually be a legitimate response to the insanity of the world actually can be trusted. And the Christian story is that a tomb is empty, and a movement has actually begun that has been present in a sense all along in creation. And all those times when your cynicism was at odds with an impulse within you that said that this little thing might be about something bigger—those tiny little slivers may in fact be connected to something really, really big.</p>
<p><strong>Not quite down to 140 characters.</strong></p>
<p>Well, you can&#8217;t really tweet the gospel. I&#8217;m convinced that I am not doing anything new. I am hoping that I&#8217;m in a long tradition.</p>
<p><em><strong>We can be tempted to believe in hope? &#8220;Those tiny little slivers may in fact be connected to something really, really big.&#8221; Again, a person can KNOW they are a born again child of God. They need to believe on the Gospel of Jesus Christ and repent of their sins. </strong></em></p>
<p><strong><em>Acts 4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Does Acts 4:12 say, &#8220;&#8230;whereby we might be saved?&#8221; Does Acts 4:12 say, &#8220;whereby we could just possibly be saved?&#8221; NO! It declares that we must be saved only through Jesus Christ. Again, read 1 John 5:13. </em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>This interview was not a probing, hard-hitting interview. Rob Bell says sounds very intellectual, but does not seem to really know what he believes.<br />
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